as a bot bottom line point it's particularly tough for the area around norfolk. we'll work hard to help that. >> mr. lynn, you have not done that. if you're going to work hard with them you could have at least taken their calls and given them information and you still stone wall us today but i'll ask in a moment. >> i met with the governor as well as yourself yesterday morning and will continue to do that. >> mr. taylor, please? >> with your permission i'll yield my time and claim his time when it's his turn. >> thank you. mr. taylor for yielding and thank you, chairman for holding this set of hearings. secretary lip you said this is not a civilian decision. i disagree. i agree with colleague forbes that said if the end boils down to a decision made by a president on a recommendation by the secretary. just talking about the military side of things. i want to read quickly a quote from former commander at jif con that said i disagreed with the secretary of defense and jointness of military has been achieved and the job is done. abandoning a long defense and chairma